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Shawna Cox Contradicts Sheriff Mack

Sheriff Mack concludes that Bundy was misrepresenting the truth without taking all facts into consideration.

Shawna Cox Contradicts Sheriff Mack

Shawna Cox Contradicts Sheriff Mack

*Editor’s note: When the family was offered the opportunity to view the videos, they were required to watch a couple of hours of recordings pertaining to prison policy, etc. There were more than 2 hours of preliminaries before being able to view the hours of videos relating to Ammon. The shear length of time involved was excessive for most of the family’s schedules. They asked Shawna to step in and be one of the witnesses.

by Loren Edward Pearce

We never hurt anybody. My dad gave away food to hundreds of needy people. You came to hurt us, we did not come to hurt you.” ~ Audio of Ammon Bundy in prison videos.

We recently heard Sheriff Richard Mack’s perception of the video made by the Nevada Southern Detention Center staff regarding the confrontation between prison staff and Ammon and Ryan Bundy.

Sheriff Mack goes into detail on his perception of events which can be found in this radio interview.

Shawna Cox was able to see all the videos. There were six of them. Only one other family member, a cousin, was able to see the videos.

On May 24, 2017, I spoke with Shawna Cox and took notes from the conversation. She will be repeating her version on an interview with K-TALK radio in Salt Lake City on May 25. I assume a recording of that interview will be available in the station archives.

The perceptions of the prison videos between Mack and Cox are significantly different.

Cox said that there were six videos and that the quality of some of the videos were bad. even at times lacked audio. She emphasized the fact that the videos were not continuous but were stopped and started, leaving out important events and not catching everything that happened.

She also noted that the courteous and seeming reasonable manner of speech by the prison staff was theatrical and contrived, because they knew they were on video. The staff controlled the narrative and what was captured on film because they controlled the camera.

Cox stated that none of the top bunks were occupied in the pod where Bundy was located. The use of shirts hanging from beds was a long standing practice by many inmates who were on the lower bunks trying to block the bright light so that they could sleep.

The first video does not include audio and it is grainy but she said she could see what looked like Ammon and Ryan being approached by the guards. The video shows the guard seizing the shirt from Ammon’s bed and him objecting. Ryan retrieves the shirt from the guard and then it is over and done with.

About ½ hour later, 5 men enter through door, that ends the grainy video.

Judge Brown Ammon
Ammon and Ryan Bundy

A better video shows Ryan taken to the hall. Now there is audio and Ryan is told that they just need to talk to him, that is all. Ammon requests assurance that they are not going to do anything else, he is told they just want to talk with Ryan. Ammon does not trust them and asks supervisor if he can watch it through the window and supervisor gives permission.

Ammon watches as guards place chains on Ryan. Ryan does not resist but continually protests. Ryan is given different clothes which Cox says are like “dunce caps” that are designed to mark you as someone who deserves solitary. Ryan is placed in a shower stall for about an hour.

There is a break in the video so it is difficult to measure time.

Ammon has watched from the window and is visibly and audibly upset. He is heard saying in a very agitated voice, “You lied to me!” After dealing with Ryan, the same men come back for Ammon. He places hands under his chin with clenched fists in order to resist being chained. One of the men was very large, Cox said he could have weighed 500 lbs and it was not muscle.

The large man tries to use his knee to get him to submit. Ammon is very strong and makes it difficult for them, but, eventually they do get him on the floor. Although the video was stopped and started, the beating of Ammon Bundy, while on the floor, can be seen.

Bundy is hauled down the hallway and he is shouting, “You little creeps, you little creeps.” He is then placed in the shower stall.

Cox estimates that the guards visited him about every three hours to see if he was ready to have the handcuffs removed. This is in direct contradiction to Mack saying that the guards came every 10 or 15 minutes. Cox vehemently disagreed and said that it was probably no more than every 3 hours.

Ammon’s policy is that you put me in here against my will, put the cuffs on against my will, so you can come in and take them off. I won’t resist you but I am not going to stick my hands out so you can remove them. Cox repeated that the guards were on their best behavior because they were being filmed.

Shawna Cox

Cox mentioned that during the time Ammon was protesting he lamented about how his family did not deserve this treatment, how his family had always tried to do the right thing and how his dad helped hundreds of needy people, giving away meat and food. He said, “You came to us. You came to hurt us. We did not go to you to hurt you.”

On the third visit, they spoke to him and Ammon did not answer. The guards made some comment about if he is not going to answer, then he can just live with the consequences.

After 13 hours, 6 guards came dressed in SWAT like gear with helmets and full protection. Cox was sure that two of them were female.

As they brought Ammon out, she could see that he was in his LDS garment (religious clothing) top and his prison pants that were obviously soiled from urine and excrement. Ammon appeared to be very weak and his voice sounded like someone who had a bad case of the flu. He could not walk so they had to carry him. The video shows him face down, being stripped naked, with female staff present. Cox said he sounded terrible.

Although the videos neither confirm nor deny the dislocated shoulder claim, Cox rejects Mack’s assertion that Ammon did not have a dislocated shoulder. Cox said that the handling of Ammon was very rough and that his shoulder could have been dislocated. The fact that he was not screaming in pain does not mean it did not happen, especially since the videos were stopped and started so many times.

Cox also explained why Ammon did not want to see the nurse. The nurse meant being stripped searched. The strip/cavity searches were always done in the presence of a nurse. In the shower stall case, the need to do a strip search made absolutely no sense because there was no opportunity for exchange of contraband.

The strip searches are a form of punishment and knowing how much Ammon hates them, is all the more reason for the staff to use it against him, to punish him and break him down. In Cox’s mind (and in mine), strip searches are literally a rape and a sexual abuse. Mack seemed to play this aspect down.

Cox said she has known Ammon for a long time and has spent many hours with him and has never seen him so angry as he was in the video. Even so, Ammon, who is the epitome of moral cleanliness, could only muster one curse word when he damned the guards to hell.

Cox and I discussed the experiences of other prisoners, especially political prisoners. Unless we have been in their shoes, we have no idea what they are going through. For Mack and his interviewer to take a scolding attitude towards Bundy is reprehensible. Just the strip search alone is torture and abuse regardless of anything else. The fact that other prisoners are willing to go through the strip searches does not make them any less horrific.

CSPOA
Sheriff Richard Mack

Different perceptions by different beholders is acceptable. What is not acceptable is the conclusion. Sheriff Mack concludes that Bundy was misrepresenting the truth without taking into consideration that the filming was erratic and being controlled by the staff to fit their agenda. Mack, who seems to be a very smart guy, somehow missed that and instead of seeing the abuse for what it was, seems to justify it as being somehow a reality that Ammon needs to give into.

~Ammon face it, you are in prison even if unjustly. Deal with it,~ Mack seems to imply.

Mack points out the elephant in the room, which is that Ammon and the rest of them should not even be there to start with. Rather than quibble over whether he had a dislocated shoulder or not, we should be terrified of this elephant in the room. The elephant of pretrial detention and denial of bail is the supreme abuse that we should all be outraged about.

During the radio interview with Sheriff Mack, the host compared Ammon to Joseph of Egypt and made the claim that Joseph was treated far worse. In spite of his worse circumstances, Joseph behaved in a manner that earned him the respect of the head jailer and eventually the pharaoh.

This was an inappropriate comparison since the host did not have all the details surrounding the situation involving Joseph nor Ammon. To make such a claim is highly judgemental without foundation and is made by an armchair observer who has not experienced what Ammon is going through.

Additionally, Ammon does not claim to be Joseph of Egypt or have his Divine calling. The statement by the host also assumes that the same level of wickedness existed back then as it does today, thereby comparing apples to oranges.

23 Comments on Shawna Cox Contradicts Sheriff Mack

  1. Mack is a four letter word.

    4 flush guru whoring for attention and limelite.

    Interview host doesn’t know s*** from shinola.

  2. Sickening… My heart breaks for these brave men… Thank you for helping expose the ugly devils in “authority”. When the wicked rule the people mourn. I echo Ammon’s words: may they be damned to hell.

    • we met Mack years ago, have photos with him, his book.

      What a disgrace to the Sheriffs in his organization!! May God touch his heart and show him how WRONG he is; may he forgive him!!!!

  3. Mack takes the viewpoint of the prison guards against Ammon. I do wonder how Mack would have faced such a Mack attack himself. Free the Bundys. Innocent men should not be treated as guilty men. …and even guilty men should be treat humanely. I am disappointed in Mack. Such a swamp loving sweet talker or a moral

  4. I think it’s time We The People hold Mack’s feet to his fake movement that has fleeced the American people for a while now. All he does us take up for his Corp buddies. He may have beat his case, long ago, but since then IT’S OBVIOUS HE’S A SELL OUT. Just what has he done to help us ? Nothing but he’s helped to fortify these Criminals. He needs to hear from us.

  5. Well it seems you are publishing half truths again. The bundy’s refused to watch the video. All you people want to do is attack sheriff Mack. Of course the largest critics are those who are the laziest people and refuse to do anything.

    If you would listen, Mack and the rest of us think it is bogus they denied Ammon bail. What is the point? None of you will even listen. You demand the cspoa and sheriff Mack investigat this.

    So we do, then you attack because you can’t handle the truth. Wow. I am starting to wonder if there were 16 federal assets with Ammon. This deliberate spreading of disinformation is classic of any agent.

    • Actually, I do not see how we attacked Sheriff Mack. All we did was show another perspective to the videos.

      Mack went into this with the view of an LEO, quite understandably. Cox did not. That seems to be your issue. You seem to want us to only show one side. (Kinda like the Feds would prefer.) Isn’t that view a “half-truth”?

      Mack talked of Ammon being a different person, yet did not address how prison changes a person. So, to have this man wrongly incarcerated for 16 months and then to blame him for his changed attitude seems quite the authoritarian response.

      Why didn’t Sheriff Mack talk to those at Camp Liberty himself? He was there, it would not have been unreasonable for him to stop.

      We have always supported those that practice and preach Liberty. That includes Sheriff Mack, when we covered his visit to Burns, and the protesters who are availing themselves of their first amendment rights.

    • And one more thing…

      You have done everything but outright call me a Fed or Fed Informant. It is completely out of line and uncalled for.

      I would not think that someone who is representing themselves as a member of Sheriff Mack’s CSPOA Organization would act this way.

      I do think that you just did more harm to the name and reputation of the CSPOA than anyone else. I would go into damage-control mode real fast, if I were you or Sheriff Mack.

  6. One thing is certain… the abuse of Ammon Bundy has now exposed the truth about Sheriff Mack. Ammon Bundy, my brother, you have once again been the vessel that has shined a glaring light on corruption and falseness,i.e. Sheriff Mack. God bless you and strengthen you. We who are “lovers of truth” can never repay you for being willing to stand, when bowing would be much easier.

  7. Shawna Cox is brave to expose the sanctimonious sacks of sheet for what they are. It is a sign of the times when it becomes necessary for all good citizens to constantly restate the obvious. We saw his face all beat up over nothing. Of course they don’t have video tapes of that from a few months ago. They have the nerve to gun down a peach of a man, a solid citizen in front of the drone camera, and choreograph the kill well enough to give themselves barely plausible deniability. First time I saw that drone film, I saw it was an assassination. Plain as day. Months later we have multiplicity of credible people showing us step by step the who what and why of what had been so obvious from the start, but obfuscated by the powers to the point where they are getting away with murder. Same people, same attitudes, same goals, same spirit of the assassinators of La Voy Finicum is tormenting a clean, free spirit, an American so American John Wayne could play Ammon’s role in a movie. It is also obvious that the Civil Service is politically corrupted, and criminally astute and so inclined.

  8. This is what worries me most. It isn’t just a few, it’s the whole country that has gone off the rails! Government that does not allow the U.S. Constitution to bind it any longer, oath takers who have no idea what they swore an oath to, and a clueless people who don’t care. Everywhere you look, it is getting crazy! Reporters all across America are ignoring huge news stories, and they voted overwhelmingly liberal democrat (like > 95%), federal government that voted in the same manner. How is that not conspiratorial? How is it that there are no conservatives in those ranks? Seriously! You can figure the other 5% are independents. And yet, half the country is conservative! But the people yawn! And they love the morning news that gives them 5-8 stories that are happening around the world, and then tells them what katty perry’s having for breakfast.

  9. Assemblywoman Shelly Shelton, said it about as good as it can get:
    To Sheriff Mack:
    I just listened to your radio interview regarding Ammon Bundy and torture.
    What part of STAND do you not comprehend?
    To STAND does not mean to LIE DOWN.
    To STAND does not mean to effortlessly comply.
    Mr. Mack, you won’t stand. You talk. You encourage. Then you run.
    You had the audacity to brag about the fact that you told Ammon not to stand at the refuge. Did you conveniently forget that a jury of his peers made it very clear that YOU WERE WRONG and AMMON was RIGHT to make that stand?
    Once again your attempts to make yourself look “like the good guy” for your “investigation” has resulted in another boondoggle on par with your “children for human shields” fabrication that was used relentlessly against us.
    This time you have attempted to make out Ammon to be a liar, yet all the things you said in your interview were the exact same things Ammon reported himself.
    1) He said he was in there because he refused to comply. Check.
    2) He said he stayed in the bathroom stall because he refused to HELP them strip search him. Check.
    Your own assessment was that “Ammon isn’t even the same person” he was before, which should enrage you even more, but it has had the opposite effect and now you falsely make him out to be a liar in front of all his opposition.
    So far Ammon is batting 100% and you sound like a child making excuses for what you are doing near the cookie jar. Next time you feel the urge to “liberty” it might be better done from your living room.
    You drove past a few dozen people who put their lives on hold to stand out and protest our broken justice system in the hot Nevada sun.
    You had plenty of time to stop by and talk with your buddy, the Sheriff, and you had plenty of time to talk to Ammon about asking us to leave, but you didn’t have quite enough time to come out there with us and STAND for the right to a speedy trial and the right to bail.
    To top it off you made vague claims of “threats” you have received since your visit, knowing full well that the opposition and the federal government have shown themselves to be the authors of those threats as part of their modus operandi (Greg Burleson, etc).
    I’d like to see those threats. We have been standing for Ammon and every other prisoner in America facing a corrupt justice system, and I don’t know a single soul out there who would even THINK of even calling you on this much less make some kind of threat.
    Your biggest threat is your own conscience.
    Your interview touched on the biblical aspect of this. The insinuation was that compliance was somehow a “moral high ground”. You forget sir, that we do not live in a KINGDOM.
    We live in a Republic, where the LAW is king. We owe our allegiance to the LAW and our God. The law has been broken here, and it wasn’t by us or by Ammon. WE are the government. It is OUR DUTY to see that our justice system works.
    When you are ready to accept your inherited responsibility as a descendant of the great men and women who shed blood for that law please let everyone know and I feel certain you will be welcome with open arms.
    But as long as your allegiance lies outside that law American patriots are better off without you.
    Your actions are proving that Gavin Seim is right. There are no constitutional Sheriffs left in America. No constitutional officer would ever subvert the efforts of good Americans standing up for the Law of the land.

    • I agree Mack’s “cop” showed through. It does not mean that there is NOT a constitutional sheriff, it just means that most – if not all – though that are trying to be constitution really do NOT understand it.

      They are NOT the law, nor are they part of our government – they SERVE WITHIN IT. I argue with many, but this has been going on for over 60 decades – like most, they have no real idea of freedom or their own duty, or their responsibility to that Oath they all took.

      The Oath REQUIRES that every person who serves within our government at all levels from those who serve within our legislative branch to those who sweep floors, run copies, etc. This is a requirement particularly of the “governmental professional law enforcement because they are the ones most used to go against the US Constitution. Some examples – being homeless on the streets is NOT a crime, it is normal and natural throughout our history – and the history of the people. There should be NO LE who removes homeless from anywhere, destroys what little belongings those scum who serve within our left them, and stop other people from their NATURAL and PROTECTED Right to feed and give them drinks, place to stay, etc. No LE should have ever, nor ever now, “escort” those who break open gates, etc to install a REFUSED Smartmeter. What about “asset forfeiture”, that is THEFT.

      All LE’s – and all else in government – should read about the people having PROPERTY in everything they own, every thought and Right. Why? Because it is in writing that those that SERVE WITHIN our governments – created to PROTECT the PEOPLES property – should be standing up for the people, not stealing their stuff, not breaking and entering their homes, not killing their animals, children, etc.

      John Adams: “Property is surely a right of mankind, as really as liberty”.

      James Madison: “Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.”

      “Constitution of this state declares, among inalienable rights of each citizen, that of acquiring, possessing and protecting property. This is one of primary objects of government, is guaranteed by constitution, and cannot be impaired by legislation.” Billings v. Hall (1857), 7 C. 1.

      The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism.” The Supreme Court of the United States, 1866

      “Right of protecting property, declared inalienable by constitution, is not mere right to protect it by individual force, but right to protect it by law of land, and force of body politic.” Billings v. Hall (1857), 7 C. 1.

      The Bundy’s are standing for the US Constitution, and Mack should have also. He admits they should not be jailed, imprisoned – yet, he then talks as if after being UNLAWFULLY and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY imprisoned as if they should accept it, that they should be thankful for any treatment they have to put up with instead of Mack and others who took Oaths doing what they can to show that LE’s, corporation (required when under government contract to be Oath bound to the US Constitution – the word “All” means everyone) that they are BREAKING our SUPREME LAW to which they are all OATH BOUND.

      I am not sure that he actually talked to Bundy, as there are programs that let you see another, but it not be that persons words or actions. Though that is a different subject I covered earlier.

      As long as we have traitors (Hillary Clinton, Reid, Dempsey, Panetta, Feinstein, etc – though not convicted yet) who are being out free, and all “law enforcement”, military follow UNLAWFUL orders when the US Constitution and Oath REQUIRES them to say “No” to unlawful orders, and do NOT stand up to have these people all prosecuted, and those found guilty, replaced at all levels of our government. Why do I say that? Because the Oath makes it their personal responsibility to “Support and DEFEND” the US Constitution, not any person, not any office, not any group before the orders of superiors, before the duties of the position occupied.

      Fourth Amendment: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or Affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

      They have not been found guilty, nor are they going to run. There is NO LAWFUL reason for them to be locked up – and there is NO LAWFUL way that anyone who serves in LEA’s should accept anything else.

      Those serving within our Congress HAVE NOT DECLARED WAR. There should be NO person who serves within the US MILITARY who invades a foreign nation. Ever. No declaration of war by those that serve within our Congress, every single one MUST refuse.

      James Madison: “The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature … the executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war.”

      George Washington: “The constitution vests the power of declaring war in Congress; therefore no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after they shall have deliberated upon the subject and authorized such a measure.”

      James Madison: “In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.”

      James Madison: “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied: and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”

      John Quincy Adams: “Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled there will America’s hearts, her benedictions, and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher of the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.”

      George Washington: “It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world. The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.”

      Thomas Jefferson: “I have ever deemed it fundamental for the United States never to take active part in the quarrels of Europe. Their political interests are entirely distinct from ours. Their mutual jealousies, their balance of power, their complicated alliances, their forms and principles of government, are all foreign to us. They are nations of eternal war. “

      John Quincy Adams: “America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She well knows that by enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standards of freedom.”

      Thomas Jefferson: “Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.”

      Alexander Hamilton: “Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence.”

      The problem with our nation is that people do not understand that to be Independent, is to take responsibility for the US Constitution – that we all have duties; Militia, informed jurors, not allowing corrupt elections distort our voice, removing the corrupt from serving within our governments, etc. When one decides to become part of the governmental apparatus, they take on the additional responsibility of supporting and defending the US Constitution from others who also serve within the governmental apparatus. THAT is our solemn duty.

      Bundy’s, and friends should NOT be in prison, and none of us should stand for it – PARTICULARLY those who take the Oath as Law Enforcement.

  10. One thing all should take into account – how many times did Mack say that this did NOT seem like the Bundy he KNEW?

    Now, how many of you here saw that relatively new software program that lets anyone be anyone else; not really be them, but speak for them, and then it looks as if it is that person speaking? Have their facial expressions, etc? My first thought when “Sheriff” Mack kept saying that Bundy had changed quite a few times, was very different which makes me think that the change is relatively spectacularly different – it stands out with one who knows him. What if it was NOT Bundy? What if it is that software? Anyone can USE Bundy’s face with it, but they cannot duplicate his mind, his ways, etc, not with someone who knew him well (and not speaking over the phone) so what they would say while USING Bundy’s face would not match what Bundy would say.

    I know, conspiracy theory. Climate change; pedophiles; CIA overthrowing governments (in our name); Twin Towers and Pentagon; murdering US President and family (over time); MILK Ultra, etc; FBI, etc doing false flags; this has all been proven to be true.

    The Sheriff that Mack says is good may actually be, but neither of them take into consideration corporations or the corrupt within our own government, and what they have easy access to technology wise.

    So any ideas how we can find out if that is what is really happening? And, if that is what is going on, is Bundy still alive or is he another victim of our governmental empployees – elected, hired, contracted, etc.

  11. The reliable information is clearly from Shawna Cox. Who cares what Sheriff Mack thinks, and especially if he is taking the wrong side, as that just means he’s been compromised or corrupted through his years of “fame”. This is likely the same type of corruption that happens to elected officials who have been in office too long. And who knows, maybe he’s out of money and is being offered a good federal job? Hard to say, but once they start taking the wrong side like that, they’re done.

  12. To me in my opinion the endurance and tenacity of Shawna Cox is amazing! She has gone thru so much and even plays down dramatic situations to try and protect us all from the “ptsd” of TRUTH she has had to witness. She doesn’t lie to cover the tracks of the abusers and she doesn’t lie for the abused. She tells it exactly how it is without her owns personal fears or emotions controlling her. Its called being objective. She has so much strength to be reserved in such a way. When I see Shawna talking to the people she is like a mother telling their child about some horrible thing that just happened without being all emotional and allowing the child to learn and process the info and control themselves. Like the death of a family member no matter how sad or horrified Shawna is she remains calm and not ballistic in her emotions. That’s what I mean by down playing the drama and protecting us from the “ptsd” of truth.

    Sheriff Mack I have yet to meet face to face. But I can say my observations of his actions or lack there of, has developed my opinion which would have to lean towards… He is still behaving like active corrupt LEO protecting his “buddies”. My opinion… With his obvious lack of attention to details and/or his lack of willingness to say the truths and seemingly to take the abusers side and even go as far to LIE for the abusers I’d say he is protecting the so called “blue line” still. aka: buddies.

    Why would there be such different accounts of obvious facts such as the time line? That’s to big of difference! Think about it… 15 minutes vs. 3 hours. And I’m sure many will take his side because he used to wear a uniform. .. And use the excuse Shawna is emotional… That’s also expected. We all will take a side and have our opinions. This one is mine.
    Why would he IMPLY… ‘Your here Ammon… Deal with it’. And then say he shouldn’t be in prison and DO NOTHING about it? He went to a seminar in Texas or Arizona when we the people are telling him of abuse IN NEVADA… Jeez I’m sorry… We dint pick the day the abuses would be brought to light… And you ignore it and walked away!
    In addition to that…. Why would he not talk to the people at camp liberty? Does he not understand the message to #ENDPRISONABUSE ? Not just for Ammon but ALL. Seriously… dogs are treated better. I bet if we chained a dog behind the PVC bars in a wooden 3×3 box for 13 hours someone would arrested or fined!

    So to me… Mack has officially spoke outta both sides if his faces. You faces… Meaning more then one… Two faced…
    Kinda sucks because a lot of people (not me) but A LOT were really starting to have hope in him over this last year. It seems he would rather run off and run his mouth about freedom and liberty then show up make a stand for freedom and liberty. He used to act like he was talking the talk and walking the walk but now when he actually does show up he’s all TALK and tells you to comply as he runs away. SAD!

    I love you all… This is only my opinion of my observations. Take it how you will. And I apoligise if I seem judgemental or bias. In a lot of ways, I guess I am. However; in order for me to develop an opinion I must determine how or why I am having my opinion. That I won’t apoligise for. I hope I explained my thoughts well. Have a good day!

  13. The RIGHT to Revolt is Constitutional. ARMS is only 4 Letters. I see Mack as American Lite …. I have NEVER agreed with very much this HYPER LDS / MORMON says. I grew up on KNOX land off the Harris Bay on Lake George the same KNOX Family that Robbed the British Fort at Ticonderoga. What Mack stands for is a Watered Down Right to Revolt. I do NOT mean to understate this. LONG before anyone ever heard of Joe Smith or Martin Harris ….. Withams actually caused the break and Revolution with ENGLAND. To many Mormons seem to think I am an APOSTATE when in fact Mormonism did NOT Build America …. ARMS and REVOLT did NOT Bring’em Young.

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